Piero Marini

Thanks for that post and a translation. If that would ever happen...

I am really curious for tomorrow. We never witnessed something like that yet, did we?

then and now

Thanks Vanadija,

I like it... Marini rosso may become Marini bianco . God works in mysterious ways , everything is possible for Him . Actually to have a Marini rosso , I don't think we will have to wait 2 or 3 years. After giving the names of this year new cardinals , Papa Ratzinger went on :
"There are other persons, very dear to me who, for their dedication to the service of the Church, well deserve promotion to the dignity of cardinal. In the future I hope to have the opportunity to express, also in this way, my esteem and affection to them and to their countries of origin.
Could be our Archbishop Marini one of those " other persons " ? It could happen as early as next year. I very much hope so.

No Admin, I've never witness two MC working together. I am sure things will go nice and easy. This event will make history... because it will be the last apparence of Mons. Marini as MC . So long Your Excellency , you will be missed !

Everything will go nice and easy , that is for sure. I am more curious if "passing the torch" is going to be mentioned.

I got up at 5:00 AM to watch the Mass in Naples live, but as at times happen , EWTN had given us the wrong shedules. When I turned the TV on the Holy Father was already ending his homily... good thing they have an ancore at 12:00 PM.

Terrible weather in Naples, I felt sorry for everyone. It was raining cats and dogs , windy and cold. It remained me of June 3rd in Rome the day of the Canonization of the Foundress of the nuns I grew up with , Mother Marie Eugene of Jesus. It was just as bad as today, and we all got soaking wet . Fr. Sequeira from CTV, was comenting why they did not celebrated the Mass inside ?, well, Fr. Sequira , if as they said ,yesterday the weather was good and warm , what can anyone do if mother nature changes just like that. The same thing in Rome , on June 2nd it was nice and sunny, but the June the 3rd was for the pitts. Are they going to blame Arch. Marini for this too, now ??

Today I thought , see ? Heavens is crying because Mons. Marini is leaving. He was there assisting the Pope in his as usual, perfect way.
I did no see the new MC ....

That's it.
Well, there were no two MCs working together. But they both greeted Benedict XVI. with big smiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8wW_jLUb98


Weather was terrible. They were really freezing there. This bishop had a good idea to wear a scarf

Yes, Admin, it was not how I`ve imagined it would be. Somehow I was expecting to see Piero and Guido working together. I was also hoping Benedict would mention him in his homily or at the beginning of Angelus. But there were no thank you words, not even a hug or a handshake.

And the weather was just terrible, like in the middle of winter. Poor Piero was certainly there 2 hours ahead of others, so he was double as chilled – at times you could see he was rubbing his hands and trying to warm up. But he was just as attentive as always. I think Benedict will really miss his help and will only now realize what he had.

Thanks for the video. It is so nice to see him smiling.

Yeah, I was also a little disappointed
And moderators also didn't say a word. It is strange that after 20 years this should be the last Mass. But this Mass was prepared months ago... and papa Benedict is not so spontaneous as John Paul II (he looks so shy all the time )
Just remembered how John Paul II was joking about the hat he got as a gift. He told that he got it from Piero Marini and he has to wear it during that Mass...

Thank you for the video Admin and for those great pictures. It was grand to see Archbishop Marini smiling and greeting the Holy Father with the new MC.

Were those pictures taken today in Naples ? I am asking because the weather doesn't look so bad . I love the pictures anyway , in special the three last ones with Cardinal Bertone . They look like they are joking and I love that.


I finally watched the ancore of today Papal Mass . Yes, indeed it was cold and miserable . I could see our Archbishop rubbing his hands and looking pretty cold , so was the Holy Father.
I must say I liked the idea of the two Marini not working together. It showed respect towards Archbishop Marini. Maybe the lack of words and thanks in public was the way our Archbishop wanted to have it. I know I don't like goodbyes.

Indeed with John Paul II was different , he loved to joke and to tease especially with people he had been working with for many years... Ah... but there was only one JP II . He was very special indeed.

I must admit that while watching the Mass, I had sort of a knot in my stomach and my heart, and tears in my eyes. Is going to be incredibly difficult not to see our Piero around the Papal Masses any more.

Look at this:
www.kreuz.net/article.6061.html

Pictures: No they were not from Naples. Form Germany, I believe. They are cute, that's why I posted them.

I didn't want to compare JPII to Benedict XVI. Don't worry, Letizia.

Dangermouse!!! Can you try to translate the article? Please!!!
I am not sure if I understand it good, but are they accusing Piero of "forcing" others from the Office to abdicate???

Thanks Admin, no I didn't think those pictures were from Naples . They are truly cute !

Oh no , I didn't think you were comparing Jonh Paul the Beloved to Benedict XVI. What is the point to compare ?

They are accusing Piero of WHAT ? Is there anyone who can put a STOP to this madness ?? . It's insane those people have lost it . Why don't they leave him alone ? Why Archbishop Marini has to put up with all this dirt ? Is anyone out there who really understand what the words "LOVE your brothers as yourself" imply ?

nice to see you're having a lively conversation. I finally found the link to the site again .

yeah,so,I saw the last Mass from Naples and it was kinda' emotional as it probably was for all of u,I felt like I was witnessing the end of an era(and what a beautiful era).Now nothing is the same in the Vatican and that is rather sad .No Piero on tv will be something very hard to digest after growing up with it but let's hope it's like people say "not all change is bad".

what does the german article say,I have no idea ?

Ok. There's a good tool for translations: google translations tool.
The german artcile (orginal at www.papanews.it) says that Piero had told his colleagues to protest against the new MC and to lay down their work.

And now, it will be a "new time" with Guido Marini....

Welcome back, Ada!!!

What does the German article say? That's a question . I should learn German better.
What I could understand is, that some people from the Office of Liturgical celebration resigned their posts. However the resignations were not accepted by the Vatican.
But this sentence is the most important one:
"Nach Angaben der Webseite soll Erzbischof Marini von seinen Mitarbeitern diese Rücktritte als spektakulären Treuebeweis erbeten haben."
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According to the website (papanews) archbishop Marini should ask for these resignation of his co-workers as a spectacular sign of loyalty."

At least there are nice pictures like this one

A huge welcome back Ada !! I share your feelings , the end of a beautiful era ...

Both the German and the Italian articles are vicious , undignified and ungraceful . I wonder how many times I've writen these words in the last few weks . I have to add , this is really becoming excesive . I cannot take this hatred anymore. My heart is broken and I am suffering beacuse all this cruelty and lack of charity towards our beloved Archbishop. How come nothing get done to stop it ?

WHY LORD , WHY is this happening ?
There is not doubt that these honorable people, whos poor souls are, sadly filled with hatred and jealousy, and who seem to get some pleasure in malign Archbishop Marini, in their articles, speak more of themselves than of the good Archbishop. It is still heart braking though, to read such terrible and false stories about someone who one admire and love, and who happen to be a faithful servant of the Lord and His Church for so many years.
Who are these people who write and spread this hatred and get away with it ? . Well , they may get away with it NOW , but please don't forget that we are all going to face Jesus one day and be judged by Him, with the same measure we judged others.

To you most dear Archbishop Marini , think about how closely you are climbing Calvary with Jesus...

If you go to the Fr. Z's blog and scroll down to:

Mutiny on the Loggia of Pontifical Ceremonies
CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 6:03 pm
There is a biting piece at Petrus you might want to read, in ...

You will find that article translated by this blogger , who doesn't miss a chance ever ... ,plus the comments of his peanuts galery.

I hope Piero close his eyes and ears.....

Wow, I thought Fr. Z didn't notice this one attack! He must be happy he can dig at Marini again.

I don't think anyone seriously believes what these people say(I mean no one in their right mind).The problem I see is that when u have a subject like the Vatican ,which is very hard to form a real opinion on,people tend to go with what sounds more scandalous ,news/debate worthy.I mean,some people might end up saying "I hate this person/thing" or "I love this person/thing" just based on what they heard in one place and thought it was worthy of attention and then they decided it would make them look smart and cool to pretend they know what they're talking about. From my years watching the Vatican I got to the impression that most of the time the outside world will never get the whole story of what happens there so it might at times also be easy to make someone look bad or good.For example I tend to form my opinions based on what some write like for ex: Rocco Palmo who manages to be funny and light-toned about stuff but without making it gossipy and trashy which is what, in my opinion ,makes him a reliable source of info.
And we all have to remember that even among priests('cause they're still human) envy may run deep and not even they know everything about the world they belong too so I will never
take anything coming from strange sources seriously.

The main point here is that,no matter what anyone says,Piero is no longer MC and nothing will change that and we'll never get the whole picture as to why he was replaced now and not earlier in Benedicts Pontificate or later,if he wanted to leave,if he didn't want to leave,if he fought for his job or just didn't care for it that much anymore.But I think if in the next Consistory the Pope doesn't give him the red hat it will probably be a clue as to how much Benedict liked/appreciated him or disliked him.

You are 100% right. But it is not as much about gossips as about the way they talk about the man. It is just terrible and they don't want to stop. Comments on many blogs are more or less personal attacks and insults. To disagree with Piero (or anybody) is OK. To make fun of him and insult him is not OK.

I think it is normal, that each pope choose his own people to work with. So wanting to have a new MC is understanable. Everybody knew it would happen one day.
It will be strange not see him there anymore.

Dangermouse
I hope Piero doesn't have so much free time to read blogs on internet
I don't think anybody of those internet heroes would be so brave to tell it straight to his face.

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But it is not as much about gossips as about the way they talk about the man. It is just terrible and they don't want to stop. Comments on many blogs are more or less personal attacks and insults. To disagree with Piero (or anybody) is OK. To make fun of him and insult him is not OK.
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Right on, Admin. The issue here is not that they are gossiping or talking, but the way they are doing it. Yes, we are reading cruel personal attacks , disgusting lies, and mockery of him. It's vicious and uncharitable. That is why I keep saying, how come are these people getting away with it?
We are not dealing only with the " like or dislike " of a person because of differences of opinions . We are talking here about people , who are unable to disagree without being insulting.

I agree Ada , as people don't really know what is going on, they pick up on whatever they may think is going to get more people's attention.

Anyway ,he is not the MC anymore , if that is what they wanted so, why don't they stop digging at him ? Why don't they stop maligning him? Why don't they leave him in peace ?

And NO , I don't think any of those people would be brave to tell him face to face.

Cannot help it, I have to post this one comment

I am saddened to hear so many “hissy fits” by so many who love the Traditional Latin Liturgy. The lack of Charity is overwhelming: this is NOT the Church of Papa Benedetto xvi. Sniping at Piero Marini personally gets YOU disrespect from those who actually worked with/for him. He is always a gentleman, quiet and respectful to those that he asks for tasks….If you do not know the man, leave his personal life out of it. Card Noe received the same gruesome farewell…...
Comment by catherine — 24 October 2007 @ 9:01 am

I really enjoyed myself reading this post at Fr.Z' s blog this morning.

"This is NOT the Church of Papa Benedetto XVI !!" she said ...

Indeed is not .
I hope they realized how bad they really look, brava Catherine !


Thank you Admin .