Piero Marini

Hello Folks , I am still around ... not for too long though.

The pictures are wonderful and beautiful ! Thanks a million to both of you.

Thank you Vanadija, one more time you went ahead of me , I was just going to post that website.

I think the phone and fax numbers maybe right. Sometimes is the other way around. The nuns of the Residence Paolo VI on Viale Vaticano where I stayed this past June, also have something like that. In their case their fax # has 8 digits and the phone # only 7 and both are right. It's confusing , is itn't ?

It sounded scary...but what Letizia meant is that she will not be online for few days

Thanks for the explanations!

First to you, Letizia. Yes, it looked very strange and rather confusing. Ok, so, until this confusion is cleared, I think I`d better only use phone and e-mail.

And also to you, Admin. It did sound scary at first. I hope Letizia will have a safe journey home and will soon resume her post as a very productive member of this forum.

And btw. - very nice picture!

Confusion is cleared!
There's a mistake, 8 is missing
the right fax nr. is: (0039) 06.698.87154

Keep fingers crossed for Letizia!!!

Yeah, nice picture... but I could'n find a bigger one

Did I scare you Admin ?? I didn't mean to . Sorry ! Better not to use that LOL emoticon, again


I am glad , you clarified the mistake with the fax #

Everything over here is fine and accord to the schedules. In a few more days , God willing , I'll be on your side of the pond .

Those pictures are great , thank you .

You didn't scare me

Quiz!
Who is this?

Same guy as here







Do you want this ring he is offering you?

Thanks folks, those screencaps are great !

I'd love some coffee,of course. The tomato's salad looks delicious , just the way I like it with a lot of olive oil . Just perfect .

Oh yes, I'd love the ring, or at least to kiss it.

Hard as it was for me to watch yesterdays mass for the deceased cardinals and bishops under the new leadership of Don Guido, I must say I find this article rather amusing.

http://creerenmexico.org/2007/11/papasymarinis-2/

Yes, for so many of those bloggers and commentators, the much awaited changes of liturgy style are finally here. The author gives us an evident proof of how significant they are by comparing the pictures from masses on the same occasion of the last few years. The title of the article: Popes and Marinis, subtitle: Find the difference.


PS: Did anybody else watch it? Our Piero was there!
http://www.fotografiafelici.com/index.php?page=scripts/inserimento&num_file=5&cerimonia=7309%20Messa%20Cardinali%20e%20Vescovi%20defunti%20durante%20l%20anno&data=2007-11-06%2007:26:12&cod=890&language=ITA&n_page=1#foto

Thanks Vanadija!!!

Last week I was rather busy..., I couldn't even watch the Mass

Fr. Z. is also mentioning some "significant" changes
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2007/11/mass-for-deceased-pontiffs/

Thank you for that link, Admin. Significant changes indeed.

I also found an interesting excerpt from Rocco Palmo`s blog:
“Speaking of MC Marinis, with his successor now firmly in place, the former papal ceremoniere Archbishop Piero Marini is primed to spread his wings on his own in the weeks to come, with the English translation of his treatise on the liturgical reform set for a mid-December presentation in London. Some might still view its author as a commoner, but the book's release is being held at the House of Lords. No joke.”

Oh Yeah... so many "significant" changes that I was very lost....
I find it sad...

I've seen all these before , nothing new ... as far as I am concerned. Those people are going to get a big surprise.

Thank you for the links and pictures especially the one of Archbishop Marini !!
How nice to see him.

wow,House of the Lords,that's so great and finally something in english so I can have a look too.

haven't seen that mass with that new Marini and I seriously don't care either for now but I'm certain it was not the same thing. Good seeing Piero was there though.

Did I understand good that Piero was sent to seminary at the age of 11???



regarding the book, I believe it's this one http://www.litpress.org/Detail.aspx?ISBN=9780814630358 and you can buy it already

The answer to both of your questions is - yes.

He left home at the age of 11, poor boy, in order to get his education. At that time Valverde only had 4 years of primary school and if you wanted to continue studying, you needed to go to Bologna, Milan or other bigger city. That of course meant you had to stay by relatives in the city or in a boarding school of a sort. With the lack of relatives and the money, the only solution his parents could think of, was sending him to the seminary, which at the same time also offered the best education. Nevertheless, I`m convinced this was a hard decision for everybody.

Regarding the book: it is the right one, but according to Amazon, it is not available yet. Of course you can order it already, but the official release date is 15th November. http://www.amazon.com/Challenging-Reform-Realizing-Liturgical-Renewal/dp/0814630359/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-5029632-3505407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194532839&sr=8-1

In any case, we won`t have to wait much longer.

I say wow! In Czechoslovakia (my country) was compulsory education of 8 years since the year 1922, so children from small villages had to "march" by feet two hours to bigger villages where was a school. I never heard of somebody who did finish compulsory education at the age of 11. Quite a different country that Italy was

When I went to school, in Slovenia we had 8 years of primary (compulsory) and 4 years of secondary school (gymnasium). Now, since a few years back, we have 9 years of primary and 4 years of secondary school. But in the older days we had only 4 years of primary and 8 years of secondary school (divided in two parts - lower and higher gymnasium, each in duration of 4 years). I think it was probably the same in Italy when Piero was growing up.

Now-a-days Italy still has quite different educational system compared to the rest of us. Scuola elementare (primary school) lasts 5 years and secondary education, which is devided into two parts lasts 8 years all together - scuola media (middle school) lasts 3 years and scuola superiore (secondary school) 5 years.

Quite complicated, right?

hmmmm....in Romania we have 10 years compulsory school now I think and it's like this : 4 years of primary,4 of gymnasium(middle school),4 of high school .

Yeah, I mean that it was like that in twenties. The law changes often, already for many years it is so, that you have to be 17 years old to leave the school , they want to change it to 18 years, cos when you are 17 you cannot work yet..., so you have 4 years of primary, 5 years of a second grade still on the basic school, then a "specialized" school or gymnasium for another 4 years (which you have to start but it is up to you, if you finish it), so you finish as 19 years old and then High school or University... or job


But in Italy after WWII it was still possible not to continue in education only because you were not rich??? After WWI in Czechoslovakia often happened that parents didn't let their children to go to school, cos they had to work at home. But then police had to talk to such parents. Of course it meant that there were schools in each bigger village so children could get there without any problem (in winter it could be really hard, brrr) ... But it was almost 100 years ago

Hello from this side of the Atlantic Ocean !!

Maybe Arch. Marini was a very early vocation, otherwise he won´t be an Archbishop today. Remember, Pope Benedict wanted to be a Cardinal since he was 5 or 6 years old....

I went to a boarding school since the age of 11 as well. In my home town we had good shools etc.. but my parents really like the one they sent us to. I was the last one of the girls to go to a boarding school but my three brothers were also sent. I think it was the old way and it was not cheap, I am sure about that.

I ordered Arch. Marini ´s book when still in Canada, so I hope to get it pretty soon. I cannot wait to get it.

Cheers !

Well I don't know about the vocation, I don't think they mentioned it in that document. Looks like he was a good pupil, a clever one, and this was the only way how he could continue in studies??? We'll never know unless somebody ask him

Are there still boarding schools? I am not sure. My husband was also to a boarding school, but for the different reason. He was a terrible child and his parents thought that he would calm down if he's away from home... didn't happen

I was thinking about the book, well, I'll beter wait for your reviews.
It's hard to find some news about Piero now So that's how it will be???

Wooohoooo!
Look! Young Piero!
Very good, Admin!!

Welcome to Europe, Letizia, nice to have you back with us!

About the book – I don`t know where you ordered it from, but if it was Amazon, it should already be shipped your way. I got their message that release date was one day later than expected, so they sent it on the 17th and it should arrive around 30th November. Can`t wait!

Thanks for that photo, Admin. The oldest I have of him is from a book about Vatican. The quality of the picture is lousy, but I thought I should post it anyway.

Oh, regarding any news about him - yes, they are a little harder to find these days, but that doesn`t mean he is not active. On the 9th November he had a presentation of 3 of his older books and here are some information about that event. Sadly, nothing in English.

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/2007/documents/ns_lit_doc_20071109_invito_it.html

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/institutions_connected/lev/docs_lev/it/news.htm

http://www.luigiaccattoli.it/blog/?p=556

http://conmarcos.blogspot.com/2007/11/reconocer-al-marini-que-se-va.html


In general, I can recommend you these links to find the latest articles from various blogs:

http://www.wikio.com/news/Piero+Marini

http://www.technorati.com/search/%22piero+marini%22

http://www.catholicblogs.com/search/%22piero_marini%22